Super Skelemania

Deus_Ex_Machina_094 years ago

Is this a minecraft skin? I am confused

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Ben Allen4 years ago (1 edit) (+1)

It's made in GameMaker and for some reason lots of anti-virus programs think games made in GameMaker are malicious. You can just hit ignore and continue if you're getting it from Defender, I can assure you that it isn't a virus. It would have been taken off of itch and Steam years ago if it were a virus.

To explain this further, most GameMaker games don't have a publisher listed in their metadata. That doesn't mean that it's a virus, it just means it isn't published by Microsoft or Sony or some other well known publisher. Anti-virus programs seem to correlate no publisher or no well know publisher with VIRUS though.

Great game. Nearly finished, though I still have to defeat the final boss. The one question i have is about the computer in the spider/lizard jungle that says "You are not worthy of SKIN." Is that after the final boss, or is there something else I have to do? Also, any tips on the final boss?

Deus_Ex_Machina_094 years ago

Regarding the computer, check all of your maps. There's probably something you haven't found!

Regarding final boss tips, you can hit any part of the final boss and it doesn't deal contact damage. Backflip + air attack is the way to go.

Small bug, but whenever I interact with the books in the library, the animation that was playing right before continues to play.

Bandsmen GAMES4 years ago(+1)

Your game took the "Best Exploration Game" spot in our latest video!

sitebender4 years ago

In the mushroom area, I fell onto the map and then the character no longer controlled anymore. I could still call for the map, but the character couldn't move or jump or anything else. I assume the feet were stuck in the platform or something.

Sorry about that :(

This is a really old bug that I could never find the solution to. I think it's some state or animation that breaks at a very specific frame. It can happen with all item pickups, but it seems to be most common with that particular map. To my knowledge it's a frame perfect bug, so it shouldn't happen again if you reload the game (unless you get very unlucky).

I would try to fix it, but the code is really old and really bad and I kinda just don't ever want to touch it again. That should be the only softlock that still exists though, so hopefully you won't experience anything else like this with the rest of your playthrough.

André Luís4 years ago(+1)

O melhor jogo retro que eu já joguei!

Agora posso ficar em casa sem pegar o COVID-19 kkkkkkkk.

id04 years ago (1 edit)

The game is nice, but the native controller support is a problem. I have an old controller where not all buttons work, but I'm fine. Usually I can reassign it in the JoyToKey program. But here it does nothing, because for some unknown reason game removes keyboard control when a gamepad is connected. So I have to plug off controller to punch through the walls, because the shift doesn't work. This is very annoying.

fungal_something6 years ago

Sorry about that, I designed the controller support with Xbox 360 controllers in mind and didn't test or design for anything else. So if you're using something other than an Xbox 360 controller, that would probably be why. Strange that some buttons would work but not others. I would recommend playing with keyboard exclusively, unless you have a 360 controller.

krisu4 years ago

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Just finished the game for a second time. Really nice game! I actually like that you removed the speed cap. Blasting across the screen by charge-diving is quite fun. Anyway, I do have a suggestion/criticism: I played the game with a controller and found that the deadzone for analog movement is really tiny. I had to make an effort to not push slightly down and accidentally fall through platforms. I think making the deadzone larger or adding a slider for it would make it easier to play with a controller. Other than that, it controls great!

Ben Allen6 years ago(+1)

This is something that's confused me a lot. The deadzone is actually quite high, but it doesn't seem to scale as accurately as it's supposed to. It's also possible that it's getting turned off at unintended points. I'll be sure to look into it. I have a patch planned soonish and will include any changes to this that I can muster.

Just finished the game.
Was a really cool game, even though too short! :-D

But there are still 2 things that I am wondering about:
What to do with the letters?
And how to become "worthy"?

Are these doable ?
Maybe have a hint where to go for them?

Searched everything ver and over again but couldn't really find anything unusual elswhere.

Thank you! I wish it could have been a bit longer given how long it took to make, but oh well. They are in fact doable, they might even be related! I can't give any hints. At least one person has figured it out already, so I know others can too!

^densch7 years ago(+1)

Now found it.
Too sad, I guess.

Had to make me some maps so it wouldn't take too long to find stuff.

Still worth it. :-D

Will we get a Steam key if we bought the early access version? I just like to have my games in one place. I'm planning to play this soon!

Ben Allen7 years ago(+2)

currently, no. im kind of hesitant to distribute steam keys for itch and gamejolt. there's not a whole lot of reason not to provide them, but im still unsure. ill think about it overnight and decide tomorrow. if i end up not providing them and you really want a steam key for whatever reason, i can personally message them to people.

I shouldn't pressure you. That is a difficult decision.

TServo20497 years ago

If you decided against this, can you personally message me one too? I'd be happy to buy it a second time if necessary but would prefer a key if at all possible. :)

I think I'll just give steam keys after all, shouldn't be any harm. Might take a day or so to get set up though, so bear with me.

I get asked to pay 9,99 or more even though I bought the early access version.
Worked with earlier releaes but can't get the full version without payment :-/

Got to download the current .exe file.

However this actually only brings me to the steam page of Super Skelemania where I still would have to buy the game for 9,99 :-(

ahh sorry about this!! Someone just told me about it. I messed something up, working on it now. will be fixed in about a half hour

hey, this should be fixed now!

So looking forward to todays final version! :-)

the full version will release on 17th of novembre, namely in 6 days?
Like: the full version, not the alpha version, with all the intended content and stuff?

That sounds great! :O

NefariousNapkin7 years ago

yep!

Please post the controls. It is confusing, though i realize there is no instruction on how to jump, roll, or really navigate the levels well. Thanks in advance.

Ben Allen7 years ago (1 edit)

Sorry about that! I removed all of the old clutter from the page in preparation for the release and have been neglecting the demo.
keyboard:

Z to jump,
X to attack,
left/right arrow keys to move,
down arrow key to fall through thin platforms,
up arrow key to open door.

xbox:

A to jump,
X to attack,
d-pad or joystick to move, fall through, or open doors like above.
(you have to press z on keyboard when getting a power up, it was a bug I never fixed).

In-game controls will be available in the full version when it releases. I will try to update the demo for that as well.

rudeboy7 years ago

Very cool game. great work.

Cool game so far.
Even though some part are just really hard.
And especially the fact that there are only checkpoints and no real save files is gettting annoying over time (Meaning you have to restart the whole game after closing and reopening it)

Sorry about the lack of saving and loading, it'll be there eventually we just haven't gotten to it quite yet. This past update I was mostly focusing on making the game flow as good as possible, but I'll definitely focus on balancing the difficulty a bit more for the next update. There are quite a few problematic enemies that I'll make easier to deal with and/or avoid. Thanks for playing though! We've been updating the game about every month, so hopefully this time next month all of the problems you had will be solved.

I'll take the part about it being hard back!
Please don't change the difficulty, it's fine as it is.

I was just too dumb, both not realizing the existence of certain checkpoints (literally just walked past them by accident) and didn't figure out how to beat certain enemies before.

only the bee things are quite a pain since I don't see any pattern there.
At least not a obvious solution.
Maybe I'll figure out a good way to figth them eventually.

So the only thing I don't like are the savepoints that are currently not there.

But honestly it doesn't matter since in my last run I played it for a longer time and reached some of the ends of the alpha, the not working door and other things that indicate that stuff beyond there hasn't build yet.

So currently I don't need savegames since I have seen mostly everything in the alpha, including beating the first boss.

But I have to say, i already love the game!

Looking forward once even more stuff is unlocked!

Thanks for the follow up post! Hopefully a map + signs that say there's a save point in an adjacent room will help prevent people from walking past save points. That being said, you're not the only person who's said something about the difficulty, so I will still be altering some things. I don't want this to be a hard game. It'll have challenge, but I don't want the game to be frustrating like so many other indie platformers are. Wasps, bats, and excessive enemy placements represent the frustrating difficulty that I want to alter, while spear ghosts, moles, and the first boss represent the good kind of difficulty that I'm shooting for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXKQuWZb96o

I don't have a problem with challenging.
For example there was one room where you had 2 moles and a bat close to each other.
First try I tried bruteforcing my way through but didn't make it at all.
But once I realized the pattern of these enemies and how they can be defeated, it was merely a matter of timing when to jump under the bat, so that the bat can't hit you anymore. From there defeating them was easy.
Noever had any problems anmore with that segment.

But as you also mentioned, the bees or whatever they are are just a bit too random.
Sometimes they fly around randomly at the other side of the room but when you think it's safe and walk directly below them, they seem to directly aim for you.

The ghosts are okay, even though it's kind of hard when you are climbing down an area with a ghost in it.

Cause then the ghost will emerge from the ground and there's no way to defeat him beforehand.

So you have to lure him above ground to actually be able to hit him.

But anyways, mostly savefiles and some way to know that acheckpoint is close would be great.

I am just the lucky kind of guy who, when given a crossroad will definitely always choose to explore the way that isn't a checkpoint.
While the checkpoint was literally 1 room away :-D

Creepshow7 years ago

Finally bought the early access build. Is there a forum for it?

There isn't a forum because itch doesn't let you have a comments section and a forum, and I think a comments section is more fitting for now. We do have a discord channel though! I never got around to adding it to the game's description on itch but it should be there now. If you don't have discord or don't want to join but still have questions, feel free to email me at benallen1121(at)gmail(dot)com

papercookies7 years ago

Awesome work so far, as a big fan of Skelemania it was quite jarring to see this entire new style, but I actually think it works quite well. (Please add a secret room with the original textures as an easter egg in the final game! :p)

Anyways, a few notes so far:

For some reason, when I kick an enemy out of the screen it just instantly respawns to where it last was.
The controls were really nice imo
The abilities felt a bit OP, (or where given too soon, although this was probably for demo reasons...) to a point where enemies didn't really feel like a threat anymore.
I wasn't able to die? My health depleted to zero and then I just could keep going. This is obviously a bug but I guess I should point it out incase you overlooked it or something...

I'm REALLY hyped for how it's going to turn out, so good luck!

Thanks! I have considered adding an easter egg with the original sprites, and might do it. We'll see...

Enemy respawning isn't perfect yet, still working on perfecting that. The abilities in the demo will not be there in the final game, but will be spread out across the different locations. The only ability that'll stay where it is now is dive. We haven't programmed death yet to make it easier for testing, might be one of the last things we do actually.

papercookies7 years ago (1 edit)

Alright, sweet! Definitely keep up the good work, can't wait to play it when it get's released. :)

phthal07 years ago

This game is pretty good so far, but as a HUGE fan of the first two, I wish the mechanics were the same. I understand the increased difficulty with the new dive but the complete control that you felt over the character in the old games was what made them so fun. The first two games I can honestly say have some of the most fun and addicting platforming mechanics of any game I've ever played, and I think you should stick with those. Don't fix what isn't broken. I would also really love it if you brought back the pause menu. The map and achievements were super helpful in knowing where to go next and whether or not I'd completed everything. Keep up the good work, I love the look of this game so far but am just hoping for a few tweaks to the mechanics to make the game feel just as natural as the original 2 games. Thanks for making these for us lol

Ben Allen7 years ago(+2)

Well good news: I changed it back! I don't plan on updating the demo any time soon, but the most recent versions of the game have dive working the way it worked in the previous games. I also plan to have the pause screen with a (hopefully more detailed) map, but we probably won't get to doing that till near the end of development.

I forgot about this demo! I've played Super Skeleman and Skelemania and I really enjoyed them. I used a controller to play. I like where this is going, but I also have some criticisms.

I had some trouble with lag and scrolling, even with a 2 GB graphics card. I like the art and music, but the mechanics and controls felt a bit off. Triggering backflips is a hair slower than I'd like, but I could get used to it again. I'm not a big fan of how the dive works. Conserving some momentum is cool, but this can also be abused to continually dive across long horizontal stretches. There is also no way to cancel or reduce the momentum of the dive. I don't remember if this was present in the previous games. The lack of a smooth transition between running and charging feels awkward, as I was expecting it to function like a regular run button. It's disappointing that it's impossible to dive after a running somersault jump and retain the running momentum. I figured out that you can get a huge damage boost from spikes if you jump at the right time. Is that intentional?

Hmm, lag is kind of scary because it's something that I see frequently in builds of the game, but I assume it has something to do with my computer or that I frequently run it out of dropbox. I also seem to be the only one who gets lag because everyone I've talked to that's played the game has had it run fine, until now. I really don't know what to do about it though because it should run fine, and more often than not it does run fine.

The problem people have always had in the past is pressing jump right before changing directions, which leads to it not going off. I think the fix for this will be to add a ghost frame or two to let you 'convert' a normal jump into a backflip if the get the timing slightly off.

A little confused at your reasoning for disliking the new dive with it letting you go very far with the same momentum. In the previous two games, jumping out of a dive kept your momentum *AND* took you out of dive. This made keeping your dive momentum extremely easy, because all you had to do was jump out of your dive as soon as you hit the ground, and then dive again. If you messed it up (assuming you're trying to play the game quickly) there's not much of a punishment, since you'll have complete control of the player. With the dive in its current state, if you don't time your dive-jumps well enough, you'll lose momentum very quickly, which I think makes it a bit more interesting and skillful. However, it can be frustrating for any player to have to wait for momentum to naturally slow down before you get control back, so I'm still not totally sure on whether I'll keep this version of dive or revert to the old one.

The reason why charge isn't a run button where you build up speed over time is because I wanted it to be somewhat different from the speed booster in super metroid. I also don't want it to just replace dive as the best way to get over gaps or the best way to move quickly. The only reason why I don't let you dive while charging is because I like the jump-charge somersault animation too much and want to force people to look at it. However, being able to dive into a charge to conserve momentum is a very cool idea that I hadn't considered previously. I'll definitely experiment with that and see if I like it.

As for the damage boost thing, yes I know about it. I isn't a feature but I'm probably not going to fix it because there isn't anything inherently bad about it being in the game, and maybe speedrunners will like it. There's another unintentional bug in the game that I also probably won't fix for the same reason.

Sorry, it's been a while since I played the predecessors, so I couldn't remember how dives worked with momentum. I think my main issue with it is that you have to wait before you can proceed with normal walking or a jump. I'm maybe being too picky about that.

I see why you would want to distinguish the charge from a normal run, and I think it should work. The thing I'm most concerned about with it is that you're not able to start charging while already walking. I feel like having to trigger it while standing still is unnecessary. Not being able to stop the charge instantaneously makes sense, though. I will say that the somersault is a pretty nice touch/reference. If you wanted to implement a charge jump to dive chain, you could limit spamming by only allowing the dive to happen once at the apex of the somersault. I didn't think of diving into a charge, but that could certainly be cool. That said, I'm not much of a game designer. I also noticed that you no longer gain height with the dive, which seems like a good change.

With the backfilip, I think the issue I have is that I press the direction and then immediately follow with the jump button instead of waiting for the direction change animation. I may just be too hasty about it.

I also kind of like the wicked damage boost jump. It's very difficult to pull off, so I don't think it should wreck the game.

While the game seemed to have low FPS, it didn't affect play very much. Probably just made things a bit more floaty, but it would certainly look better without the drops. The horizontal scrolling was not very smooth for me.

I'm a little confused by what you said about "not being able to charge while already walking", because you can only start charging while walking. If you press the button while standing still you just do a headbutt. Regardless, I've changed it so that charge has a bit more oomph to it. You build up speed slower than normal walking, but you have a significantly faster max speed (faster than dive). I also changed dive to work like it did in the previous games. So if you don't want to wait for the slide to finish, you can just jump.

One other fairly fundamental change I made, which should make the game more fun is I removed the top-speed limit and added a speed increase cap. By that I mean, speed can exceed any number, but you can't increase it further beyond what you would normally be able to. So when you jump out of dive, you'll keep your dive momentum even though you aren't diving anymore. This is a pretty standard thing in these kind of games, but it wasn't in place before now. I won't be changing the demo, but all of these changes will be present in the final release (unless I change stuff again).

Really appreciate the in-depth comments!